2021-10-06 conda-forge core meeting¶
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Attendees¶
Agenda¶
Standing items¶
[x] intros for new folks on the call
[x] (FF) budget
current approvals?
Whenever updated numbers land, please screenshare and show the budget.
Link is in Keybase (numfocus_spreadsheets.txt)
[x] open votes
none
From previous meeting(s)¶
[x] (IF) Python 3.10
conda issue - https://github.com/conda/conda/issues/10969
How to allow older conda users to fail?
Let them find out
Add a
__condavirtual package and letpython=3.10package depend on__conda>=4.10.3symbolic link
lib/python3.1->lib/python3.10
TODO New python build that does the symlink (option #3 above)
Py3.10-related fixes will be rolled into next conda minor release
[x] (CJ via MRB) more reproducible builds?
CJ: thinks its pretty close
motivated by this blog post: https://hpc.guix.info/blog/2021/09/whats-in-a-package/
embed azure build log into the package
embed which build system
git hash of feedstock?
turn off force push to feedstocks
need a way to force the build/host/test envs to be the same
(IF): see https://github.com/conda/conda-build/issues/2140
Possible TODOs
store source for builds somewhere
store logs for builds somewhere, possibly keyed on package name?
And parts of the info.json – sometimes we have the same filename for different builds
store conda-locks of the build/host/test environments
Notes
transparency vs repeatability vs reproducibility
Provenance != reproducibility
(Eric) transparency+repeatability > reproducibility
Your new() agenda items¶
[ ] (WV) motivated by conversations on gitter: use more mamba in conda-forge
add
mamba install ...to feedstock readmeallow uploads from
mambabuildroad to boa recipes?
TODO
PR to conda-smithy to add a couple of flags to allow users to enable mamba debug and mamba build&upload
[ ] (CB) NumFocus amendment
[ ] (IF) aarch64 builds
cloud.drone.io is slow
We have $3000 credits from Oracle for a year
Enough for 8 runners with 4 vCPUs and 24 GB for a year
options
host our own drone server/runners
host our own azure agents
cross compile
test using qemu
pypy builds
emulate
Pushed to next meeting¶
Active votes¶
CFEPs¶
cfep-12 Removing packages that violate the terms of the source package
Stalled since May 26, 2020
Active debate about moving to “broken” vs deleting from conda-forge channel
Active vote, ends on 2020-03-11
What were the results of the vote?
Did we hear back from NumFOCUS? they did the legal seminar which is recorded
TODOs¶
2021-09-22
(MRB) update on travis stuff
[ ] TODO: Write blog post for transparency reasons. Need a champion for this one (Matt can at end of october)
(MRB) master to main move (https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/1162)
everything done except feedstocks, releases, conda-smithy, and our github actions
releases is broken, opened an issue with github
some options for feedstocks
make sure to change the upload on branch key
[x] (MRB) make an announcement on how to update local clones (moved to the issue above)
[x] (MRB) make sure to update upload_on_branch (moved to the issue above)
2020-11-18
[ ] (IF/MRB/MV) intel oneAPI
todo
[ ] (Nikolay) licensing for opencl_rt
[ ] (Nikolay) intelmpi ABI compat w/ mpich
[ ] (MRB/IF) figure out how exactly to package C/C++ compilers
[ ] (MRB/IF) think about fortran ABI
[x] (MRB) make conda-forge compilers room (add people including keith)
[ ] (MB) asking core members to move to “emeritus” status
[ ] TODO: Eric to set up quarterly check-in for all core members to see if they’re interested in remaining “active” or if they want to move to emeritus
Remove emeritus folks from having access to various credentials (api tokens, twitter password, etc.)? This would require a change to the governance doc.
2020-11-11
TODO: Think about bringing in JOSS to provide context around how we might best write papers
2020-11-03
TODO: Check on Forrest Watters permissions for core
[x] (FF) Outreachy would cost 6500 USD.
Next steps: write abstract and vote on spending of funds.
2020-10-28 2020-10-21
[ ] (Marius?) Python 2.7 migration
( ) [ ] make a hint
( ) [ ] make an announcement
( ) [ ] make the hint a lint
2020-10-07
[ ] Make sure to add the NVBug info to the cudatoolkit package that conda-forge makes (if we make one)
2020-09-09
[ ] (ED) Update governance docs with similar voting model as what got put into conda-tools (+3 with no -1 is a pass)
[ ] (SC) Write jinja template to turn institutional partners yaml into a website https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/blob/master/src/inst_partners.yaml
[ ] (SC) Document what needs to be done to create an OVH account and get access
2020-08-26 Docker hub
[ ] (JK) Check in on Azure build workers to see if they have the docker hub limitation.
[ ] (JK) work with dockerhub to see if we can get OSS status
[ ] Check in again at some point. We haven’t heard back as of 2020-09-23
OVH
[ ] Shout-out on twitter at some point. “Thanks forOVHCloud for providing a VM”, etc. (maybe after we ship qt on windows with it?)
[ ] Figure out how to communicate breaking changes to users. Likely should open up an issue immediately for futher discussion. Ping @kkraus, plus capture notes from further up in these meeting notes
[ ] John K. will update the cuda toolkit feedstock on the git repo to note the NVBug link to the internal NVIDIA issue tracker
[ ] Jonathan will update docs to note that some non-exhaustive list of packages (like cuda-toolkit, MKL, etc.)
[ ] Jonathan will review this PR
[ ] (Kale) schedule conda working group
[ ] cfep-10 next steps: CJ to call a vote for feedback
[ ] cfep-06 next steps: Ask staged recipes team to champion this CFEP and move it forward
[ ] jakirkham & CJ-wright to sync on adding CUDA to the migration bot
[ ] (Eric) Scheduling Anaconda <-> conda-forge sync on anaconda.org requirements gathering
Will try and get this scheduled in the next month.
[ ] (Anthony) Reach out to NumFocus to figure out legal ramifications of not including licenses in files.
[ ] (Eric) check internally for funding levels for hotels & flying folks from the community in?
[ ] (Eric) Figure out finances of conda-forge to support themselves?
[ ] (jjhelmus) Open up CFEP for which python’s we’re going to support
[ ] (jakirkham) write a blog post on CUDA stuff we discussed today
[ ] (jakirkham) update docs on how to add CUDA support to feedstocks
[ ] (jakirkham) will open an issue on conda-smithy to investigate Drone issues. (ping the aarch team)
https://github.com/conda-forge/conda-forge.github.io/issues/954
[ ] (ED) Who we are page? Some combination of a FAQ and a who is everyone. FAQ things like:
who’s the POC for CF <> Anaconda, CF <> NumFocus, CF <> Azure
who’s the POC for the various subteams?
Informal information: roles, day jobs, bios, the whole nine yards, why you’re here, etc.
Public or internal? I don’t really care either way. Anyone feel strongly one way or the other?
opt-in to public bios
software carpentry has a large number of instructors and has https://carpentries.org/instructors
some concern about “yet another place to keep stuff up to date”
[ ] (ED) document strategies for reproducible environments using conda-forge
[ ] (UK) Static libraries stuff
[ ] Add linting hints to builds to find them
[x] Recommend how to package them -> CFEP-18
[x] We should write docs saying we don’t provide support and this is a bad idea. -> CFEP-18